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Will We Ever Run Out Of New Music?

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  2. Well, you would have to define „meaning,“ but music has been used for celebratory and dancing purposes for centuries. How about people dancing to big band or swing jazz in the 20s, 30s and 40s? Music has been used for many things, not just meaning (with a capital „m“) or deep, thoughtful contemplation.

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  6. All words are known too, for example english language, and we still adore both Shakespeare and Edgar Allan Poe… And there will always be a great poetry..
    I don’t want to be original, i just want to say what i think… THE WAY I THINK…
    Same with music…
    Yes, we can calculate the possibilities, but not the emotion… Think about it!

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  8. Every generation says that. I hear dubstep that’s a symphony that has wobbles. there’s always someone doing it right man, you havent heard everything haha im not just disagreeing with you. im saying your wrong. You can have your opinions whatever idgaf but to say most of these people arent trying their hardest is honestly false.
    BTW the four chords song is exactly what you’re talking about
    **BUT STOP FUCKING GENERALIZING** (im not yelling haha) peace out ;D

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  11. well actually a lot of those songs in those databases probably already overlap chords or melodies or tunes. Although eventually you could continue to keep making new combinations by just making the songs longer. But if you give it a time cap then yes technically the combinations of notes will eventually be taken up although the lyrics can still differ.

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  14. If 5 minute audio file takes 13MB(211M/16 (bits per byte), wouldn’t the 2^211000000, contain not just every single audio file, but also every single program, game, application and picture that takes that much space? Just wondering.

  15. And the worse part is that when people try to show them reason or at least a little common fucking sense, they say „umad/ujelly“ and accuse the well-meaning people of being haters and trolls. They think they’re smart because they got a stupid idea and clung on to it for dear life, rejecting any idea but their own.

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  22. interesting…..the thought that music is influenced by the generation before it…….so……Simplify that shit to its PUREST original form, and you got yerself the fucking melody of the original, brand SPANKIN new, human PSYCHE!

    …It was probably just all of the songs you can in ocarina of time……holy fuck, my intuition is a badass….free will? I was subliiminally suggested by the content to remember that zelda’s „Song of Storms“ can „fit“ into „Clubbed to Death“ by rob dougan. FUCK.

  23. these calculations are useless. Just consider all possible rhythmic variations, that blows any of the numbers he said out of the water… Also, consider bands like TOOL, other prog rock bands etc.. As long as these musicians live on, we will never run out of melodic, rhythmic, tonal, harmonic etc combinations

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  26. Yes I understand, but all I am trying to say is that there is still a finite numbers of ways. Humans (and/or other species) will never live to hear them all, but still an end exists.

  27. A nice attempt, but way off without considering music history, tonal system, eastern vs western music, etc. We do find known patterns more delightful than unknown patterns, but the line between interesting and boring depends mostly on nurture, not information compression.
    Was there ever new music?
    In my opinion, we invented the concept, as we invented everything else that makes music itself.

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  31. Yeah, music in the 20s, 30s, and 40s were composed to be able to „dance“ to, but what I’m trying to say is that the mainstream music of today is just electronic beats with auto-tuned voices, no talent what so ever. And, on top of that, most of the „musicians“ out there right now don’t even write their own music. At least Jazz artists knew how to play instruments, sing, and write their own stuff. You can sit there and think that Lil Wayne, Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, and Nikki Minaj are „quality“…

  32. …….musicians, but I will never believe that one bit. Good music quickly began to die in the 2000’s and early 90’s, and I doubt that people will soon realize how idiotic new music sounds and start to write stuff that doesn’t want me to blow my head off. Have a nice day.

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  34. Its like you ALMOST know what you are talking about. You are only considering a single one melody. There are also harmonics, harmonies, styles tempos lyrics. Songs sound similar because people become influenced by other artists. You also can’t mathematicaly calculate analog sound with digital bits. Its like calculatig how many times you’ve been laid by using how many planets there are

  35. I think the question „Will we ever run out of new music?“ directly correlates with the question: „Wil we ever run out od creativitiy and imagination“ And you know what they say about imagination. 🙂

  36. I listen to Sevish’s microtonal music. I find it oddly comforting and imaginatively inspiring although it uses many unconventional scales and times. Is my brain conditioner broken?

  37. I wonder if tempo is calculated into this? All songs can be played at all tempos. But I guess it is, there would be more bits of sound or silence. I wonder what the least liked song in the world sounds like? I would like to hear it.

  38. I was thinking this when he looked at the chromatic scale, but the conclusion is essentially the same – we have a lot of possibilities of sound and melody but we’re unlikely to ever really explore them, even in non-western musical scales, because it simply doesn’t sound good to us.

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  40. Will we ever run out of music? Maybe. But like you said, it would take 1200 years to listen to all the existing stuff. Just because it wasn’t produced last week doesn’t mean it can’t be new to YOU.

  41. 2Cr 11:6 But though [I be] rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been throughly made manifest among you in all things.

    You clearly don’t have a grasp on reality. And clearly don’t know what the truth of the Bible is and how it’ll always be relevant, though you’ve been created to never understand.

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    My instrumental playlist is exactly that. Instrumental.

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  43. It’s funny how there’s so much music that we’d never be able to listen to every song in our lifetime and out of all the options, I’ve heard the song Call me Maybe over 100 times.

  44. it says Light My Fire uses common meter, and if it means the one by The Doors, that’s not true. First line: you know that it would be untrue (8 syllables) Second line: You know that I would be a liar (9 syllables).  If it is a song by someone else, I apologize for the inconvenience

  45. That’s all well and good for pop music and music composed normally, but what about serialism, pantonal and 12-tone music? No mention of them at all. Vsauce, please talk to me about this…this could help you with more findings.

  46. As a musician, this all makes sence to me. And I can think of a few ways why so many things sound alike and why we haven’t discovered some of the other melodies to be found on the two staffs. One of the posibilities is that we are finding a way to make things simple for ourselves. So many popular musicians in the music industry can’t read music so everything that is recorded is written my ear. They may know the chord shapes/names but they couldn’t write it out.

  47. Another posibility is that we haven’t discovered the time signitures for the unfound melodies. When Pink Floyd realeased Money, everyone was so shocked at this new time signiture of 7:8 it was completely unheard of. Decades later, Foo Fighters realeased Times like These also in 7:8 but not even they knew that (Im not hating on the foos, I love em) But if we were to find new time signitures we will find more riffs, melodies and structures.

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  49. Good video, but this guy is forgetting of quarter-tones and eighth-tones and a huge, almost infinite number of possible micro-tones behind a normal scale, that some writers use. Also, the complexity of chords, moreover chord progression, is impossible to calculate fully ESPECIALLY if with the use of microtones. And the fact is that if you add one more note to Beethoven’s moonlight sonata, it technically becomes a different composition. Conclusion? Creativity is limitless.

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  51. Do the findings hold true when evaluating music from all cultures around the world? Maybe we are not „wired“ to enjoy certain melodies, maybe it is conditioning. I have always wondered why some albums I do not like the first time I listen to them, but after a few times through I fall in love with them.

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  57. Listen, both inspired many thousands and if they had done nothing wrong, consider Hitler pulling Germany out from the problems they were still living with from the Treaty of Versailles and then say if he had never committed those crimes he would still be one of the greatest, he still had great moments and was even man of the year at one point.

  58. You can also compare it with the human DNA. Because our DNA is built witth a finite number blocks, some day, we will run out of ’new‘ humas. And someone will look exactly like someone else, who lived a very long time ago

  59. You always round down unless it’s 5 or more… 78,3 = 78. Had it been 78,5 or more it would have been rounded to 79.
    WonderfulDenmark was correct, but not really nessecary to point it out 🙂

  60. Excluding environmental factors of course. With the way technology is changing how we live, it may come to be that not even newborns with the same DNA sequences would look completely alike.

    Mad world

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  62. Well, mostly likely only very similar, because neither monozygotal twins don’t look exactly the same, because the environment also contributes to how a gene  actually expresses.

  63. Hey Michael I have a question. It should be possible to record a different 5 minute conversation every time it’s recorded… right? so does this mean there are infinite possibilities of recording a diferent piece of audio, but that some pieces of sound are coded in the same order even though they sound different?
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  65. This is’nt entirely true. Humans will continue to evolve so you may look similar but youre eyes could be purple, or you could be 8 feet tall, or have 4 legs or really any feature that current humans have. Its safe to assume that if humans continue to evolve then poeple will never run out of differnt combinations

  66. Here’s another idea, there are only so many particles that make up a human being, or for that matter, anything at all. So if space were to continue expanding, at some point in time, it will have expanded so much that another version of you would have been created.

  67. You’re wrong there. YOU will never run out of music to listen to, granted, but the world will eventually run out of new tunes to play, in which we could tell the difference in sound.

  68. Right, but „the world“ is not a „being“ who can appreciate music. This video is all wrong, it doesn’t take into account that cultural bias decides what „new music“ is.
    Permutation is fun but it doesn’t answer the question proposed. Schenker attempted to prove that every tonal piece is the same on a base level, but it really works for pieces from the classic period to Beethoven, not really for Liszt or Wagner.
    Not every tune is made on four chords in 4/4 bars, that’s just cultural numbness.

  69. In fact the Adam and eve story is technically true because part of our DNA has never ever changed. seriously! you could compare someone from a completely different continent and they would have the same pattern on their DNA! i can’t remember what part it is though 🙁

  70. of course the number is technically higher, but the way to calculate the possibilities would just get way more complicated. and of course it could repeat, but it could also be EVERYTHING else than a replay.

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  72. All I got to say is this;
    As long as there is infinite creativity there is always infinite possibilities, regardless of what number crunching has to say about it.
    And if nothing else, the amount we already have is enough to sustain a very large amount of generations way after my lifetime.

  73. there are a lot of holes in this theory. you can’t express musical possibilities in numbers like its just sticks in the sand! the experiments ran to find the number of possible melodies was based on 8-note combinations! have you ever heard of SHARPS or FLATS or MELODIC SCALES!!!??? music tends to sound the same sometimes because new works tend to be influenced by old works. tastes will change and original minds of MUSICIANS will recreate what we expect from a song, not mathmatitions.

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  75. What’s likeable, new or interesting is defined by culture, not possibilities, or genes, or atoms, or whatever stupid thing michael is trying to force to answer a question about aesthetics.
    Individually, according to pedagog Edwin Gordon, your potential for appreciation of music is defined by the music you listen to until year 7 or 9 of your life, no more.
    There’s no real attempt to answer the question in this video, it’s just internet nonsense.

  76. Compression ratios on files has everything to do with acoustics, specifically recording and mastering techniques, not music or aesthetic preferences, so the paper mentioned here, and your experiment, both have a massive flaw which make any result merely anecdotal.

  77. I think this guy speaks as he was saying something interesting, and really he’s just quoting forum threads about people having fun with math and music, and then saying some basic stuff about music theory, and summing up with the four chord song.
    The file compression thing is so lame, it’s really weird he knows so little about acoustics.
    And the conclusion, this „home“ he is so „connected to“ is just western pop culture, pop music, pop science, pop knowledge.
    Think pop.

  78. You can’t create anything new without knowing what’s old either.
    Culture decides what’s original as well, as it created and overrated the concept of progress in the 19th century.

  79. He didn’t seem to take into account the combinations between melody, harmony, rhythm and tone.
    That would make the numbers much bigger…
    In fact, the variety of tones we can achieve nowadays with so much diverse technology is immense.

    Not saying the video is bad though, it was fun. I just think the emphasis was too big on melody and harmony.

  80. True story.

    When I was about 13 I wrote a song. It’s chorus was the exact same words and melody as the first part of the chorus of „Just a Dream“ by Nelly. „I was thinkin‘ ‚bout her, thinkin‘ ‚bout me, thinkin‘ ‚bout us, what we gon‘ be…“

    That was ten years ago.

  81. the real question should be will you ever run out of redundant questions to get you more views

    how lovely an 11 min vid to say something that we already knew we are never gonna run out of music

    wow i cant believe how smart you are

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  83. In songs there are minor chords and major chords. A song with a lot of minor chords usually sound melancholy while song with lots of major chords are usually upbeat and happy. I hope that helps.

  84. I think that although there are still melodies left, very few of them are good to listen to. This means we are ‚reusing‘ things more. Many songs have the same chord sequence, some have similar melodies. This decrease in new ideas means we have to find another way to make music interesting, hence the rise in new genres like Dubstep and Drumstep. The focus of these genres isn’t the music but the sounds themselves that represent the music. The music has nearly run out but not the actual sounds.

  85. Some songs do sound the same but in the time of „no more new songs“ they will probably forget a similar song to something „new“ created ( to them at least) they may even make a song that sounds exactly the same, but they wont know it’s old, and consider it new. So, to them the answer is no, but in reality the answer is yes.

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  87. also we are predetermined by our past and environment if we hear a certain melody are sub subconscious memory will take a mental blog so you can link it with other ideas and come up with a seemingly new song or a new composition.

  88. This is why people should all have instruments so if we do run out, you have your own source of music to listen to and create. Maybe not for the whole world, but this should put an influence on playing instruments.

  89. Most people write music in generic keys. When I write music I enjoy utilizing every note in an octave in a way that sounds good. It would never ever cross my mind that even one person would write the same melodies as me, let alone run out of new music worldwide.

  90. The estimation of the total possible songs is flawed and grossly exaggerated. Calculating the different possibilities using „bits“ doesn’t work nor is realistic. As that total number includes for example, two songs that are different by only a single bit. Which would be exactly the same song to our ears, words and notes. Bits are not equal to our ears as notes or words combinations are, which is what should be used as they distinguish a song to our brains.

  91. The estimation of the total possible songs is flawed and grossly exaggerated. Calculating the different possibilities using „bits“ doesn’t work nor is realistic. As that total number includes for example, two songs that are different by only a single bit. Which would be exactly the same song to our ears, words and notes. Bits are not equal to our ears as notes or words combinations are, which is what should be used as they distinguish a song to our brains.

  92. of couse the number could be even larger, once Quatium computers become practical, because they have literally a infinte amount of states.

    then you have the possiblity of sapent life in just our milkyway, like in Mass Effect. and that number could grow again if said life can hear in a slightly differant frequency range. then with that possiblty you could have a song literally sound differant to a human, and it does to said lifeform, because they may be able to hear differant tones.

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  94. Dear Vsauce
    What about different effects which are used for instruments.
    Lets say Panteras – cowboys from hell would be played with a clear sounding guitar and a heavy metal distorted way ?
    Think about this, from that amount of possibilities how many songs would come out as hits?

  95. very interesting. even though this is fairly through, it doesnt account for music written in other forms by different cultures, with that factored in, i dont think the human race willl last long enough to use all the combinations

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  97. Wouldn’t you never run out of new music. Because if you played every single different song out of that finite amount of sounds at the same time, wouldn’t that produce a new song? Plus it’s not every running out of music, it’s running out of good music. I mean, no one wants any more Friday sounding songs.

  98. You only need to listen to the first 60 seconds of your video: You just said there’s 1200 years of music to be heard. So Unless humans exceed 1200 years of life, you will always have new music to listen to…

  99. I did get it 🙂 Well, I didn’t really think about the universe as something lowering the density of hydrogen… But again, I don’t think you can say „The universe is growing“ – But the again, I can’t say „The universe is infinite“ – It’s a matter of belief. 🙂 Just because light didn’t reach it yet, doesn’t mean there isn’t any hydrogen… Please correct me if I’m on deep water ;) Cheers for your reply.

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  101. so we have already run out of 5 and 6 note melodies, in terms of order without timing. What I fear most is the lousy lawyers who will always be looking for any reason to sue people into homelessness over something accidental like 2 melodies being similar.

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