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Renata Salecl – The Paradox of Choice

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  1. @CurtHowland Really? You didn’t think that the homeowners taking 20% interest mortgages could pay them? That banks thought they could sell bad loans to consumers and then pass off the crap to investors?
    In fact there are multiple records (and books written about said records) showing that the executives at pretty much every big bank knew what they were doing was wrong, they just thought they would get out of the game before people realized what was up and the economy crashed.

  2. @CurtHowland And please don’t call the institution of central banks „Marxist“. Central banks are the cornerstone of multiple schools of economic thought, the only economists that outright reject central banks (that I know of) are of the Austrian school. Calling any intervention in the „Marxist“ is hyperbole. Even Keynes can be considered quite conservative in his approach to Economics, that capitalism at it’s core works fine but needs a few tweaks here and there when it occasionally fails.

  3. @RCLibra „You didn’t think that the homeowners taking 20% interest mortgages could pay them?“
    I knew they could not, because I knew it was a false boom. That’s why I didn’t get such a loan.
    „That banks thought they could sell bad loans to consumers and then pass off the crap to investors?“
    Isn’t that EXACTLY what happened?
    Except that the Fed and SEC were pressuring mortgage lenders to make those loans, and Fanny/Freddie were buying them up.

  4. @RCLibra One more thing. Imagine the word „bailout“, who was it who got bailed out?
    Individuals who had gotten the loans? No.
    Investors who through they were buying good stocks? No.
    Big banks got bailed out, because it was the big banks who are able to screw with the interest rates to make over-investment in long term projects, like HOUSES, seem like a good idea when they’re not.
    Do a search for „housing bubble“ on Mises. org and see how far back the Austrians were warning people about it. 2003!

  5. @RCLibra „And please don’t call the institution of central banks „Marxist“.“
    Oh?
    Communist Manifesto, plank 5:
    „Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.“
    Maybe you don’t realize that Keynes was a thorough Socialist.

  6. @myiuer why do you think he likes money so much? she dresses normally…but I unduerstand what you mean (even i don’t sii it in this example), it happens all the time. But even the person don’t follw his or her own message it could have meaning. If someone gives me the key to some topic doesn’t it has value if sje don’t act accordingly?

  7. Choice is also an idea that support Ego that the mind thinks I am special, I have (apparent) Power i can „choose“ I satisfy my „wants“. I want to experience this/that.

    Instead of doing what is Best for All, for everyone for the whole Earth, nature and animals.

    Asking: What I can do to Benefit/Achieve Best for All so I as part of all can benefit from this decision too, that I will be taken care of too.

    Choice only satisfy those that have money so they can have ‚Choice‘.

  8. Choice is also an idea that support Ego that the mind thinks I am special, I have (apparent) Power i can „choose“ I satisfy my „wants“. I want to experience this/that.

    Instead of doing what is Best for All, for everyone for the whole Earth, nature and animals.

    Asking: What I can do to Benefit/Achieve Best for All so I as part of all can benefit from this decision too, that I will be taken care of too.

    Choice only satisfy those that have money so they can have ‚Choice‘.

  9. For choices to exist, do we consider What happens to the workers that need to work triple working hours each day, just to fulfill the rich class’s yearning for ‚choices‘?

    Choice is also a byproduct of Competition — which stems from Greediness.

    Equal Money System brings forth Heaven on earth and everyone’s basic necessities will be taken care of.

    Isn’t it Commonsense that if one fear losing that little pension/salary that one should do something about the current greediness based system?

  10. For choices to exist, do we consider What happens to the workers that need to work triple working hours each day, just to fulfill the rich class’s yearning for ‚choices‘?

    Choice is also a byproduct of Competition — which stems from Greediness.

    Equal Money System brings forth Heaven on earth and everyone’s basic necessities will be taken care of.

    Isn’t it Commonsense that if one fear losing that little pension/salary that one should do something about the current greediness based system?

  11. @myiuer You don’t need to apologize. I’m curious, I just discover Renata and for me she is quite honest, she doesn’t make to me a bad impression, why do you find her dishonest, or is something you couldn’t explain…

  12. @myiuer You don’t need to apologize. I’m curious, I just discover Renata and for me she is quite honest, she doesn’t make to me a bad impression, why do you find her dishonest, or is something you couldn’t explain…

  13. @myiuer But the way we think, our ideas about things, determine our actions, thats the point with sharing ideas. Of course it hasn’t direct impact, and may be it is not going to help imidiately a person who suffers from what she describes (which I think nowdays everybody does) but it can help us to understand things, to recognice where we are, to change the perspective,…

  14. @myiuer But the way we think, our ideas about things, determine our actions, thats the point with sharing ideas. Of course it hasn’t direct impact, and may be it is not going to help imidiately a person who suffers from what she describes (which I think nowdays everybody does) but it can help us to understand things, to recognice where we are, to change the perspective,…

  15. In my four decades of life, I have never experienced being horrified at the number of choices in a supermarket or having a nightmare at going to a Chinese restaurant with multiple choices.
    In fact, unless I chose to go to a specific restaurant for their single dish, I would never go to such a restaurant.
    This seems to be a bizarre argument to make: that freedom of choice is bad.
    Oddly enough, if you allow someone to make your decisions for you, you are allowing another to make your choice.

  16. The great achievements of civilization have not come from government bureaus. Einstein didn’t construct his theory under order from a, from a bureaucrat. Henry Ford didn’t revolutionize the automobile industry that way.
    -Milton Friedman

  17. The great achievements of civilization have not come from government bureaus. Einstein didn’t construct his theory under order from a, from a bureaucrat. Henry Ford didn’t revolutionize the automobile industry that way.
    -Milton Friedman

  18. Having a lot to choose from in a supermarket does not equal living in a free (market) society. I think Salecl just pionted out that post-chicago friedmanite world only gives us an illusion of choice. Like when Regan used the libertarian ideas to push his socialist agenda.

  19. Having a lot to choose from in a supermarket does not equal living in a free (market) society. I think Salecl just pionted out that post-chicago friedmanite world only gives us an illusion of choice. Like when Regan used the libertarian ideas to push his socialist agenda.

  20. A lots of choice = making the attempt to satisfy yourself. pros: you are in control. cons, you may never be able to satisfy yourself.

    Little choice = allow another entity (society, parents, peer group) to guide you to satisfaction. Pros: less stress from choosing, have someone to blame for failures to satisfy. Cons: you know best what you want.

    Life is all about choices, choosing which way you’ll live from the 2 ways above is even a choice in it self.

  21. A lots of choice = making the attempt to satisfy yourself. pros: you are in control. cons, you may never be able to satisfy yourself.

    Little choice = allow another entity (society, parents, peer group) to guide you to satisfaction. Pros: less stress from choosing, have someone to blame for failures to satisfy. Cons: you know best what you want.

    Life is all about choices, choosing which way you’ll live from the 2 ways above is even a choice in it self.

  22. I don’t think I would mind having someone make choices for me in my best interest . but not without having complete control over them and choices among who would be guiding my path. In the US the government is hypocritically criminal and ironically the worst crimes ever committed is something they don’t concern themselves with making laws for and have very little or no punishment for. As that means lethal injection and life sentences for them.

  23. I don’t think I would mind having someone make choices for me in my best interest . but not without having complete control over them and choices among who would be guiding my path. In the US the government is hypocritically criminal and ironically the worst crimes ever committed is something they don’t concern themselves with making laws for and have very little or no punishment for. As that means lethal injection and life sentences for them.

  24. Renata brings about a subject of choice I haven’t thought of. Its hard to see outside that frame but she has broadened problem’s with it. Feel free to help me with clarity, viewers! I see both conscious and unconscious choice and I see in the US gov how damaging one persons choices over the masses is usually because of lack of choice and inequality.

  25. Renata brings about a subject of choice I haven’t thought of. Its hard to see outside that frame but she has broadened problem’s with it. Feel free to help me with clarity, viewers! I see both conscious and unconscious choice and I see in the US gov how damaging one persons choices over the masses is usually because of lack of choice and inequality.

  26. Every person makes mistakes on a daily basis but with a person or group making mistakes for the masses that repeat over and over from a single choice with no realistic ability to stop them is greatly problematic. The voting process its self has become an illusion where people think they are actually participating in gov functions. Individuals power in choice’s are illusions as we become choiceless. Most real choices in the US are made illegal limiting people to consumer type choices.

  27. Every person makes mistakes on a daily basis but with a person or group making mistakes for the masses that repeat over and over from a single choice with no realistic ability to stop them is greatly problematic. The voting process its self has become an illusion where people think they are actually participating in gov functions. Individuals power in choice’s are illusions as we become choiceless. Most real choices in the US are made illegal limiting people to consumer type choices.

  28. I think generally people in the US can agree on a common good which there is no choice but the same choice. I’m having troubles with clarity on her points. I see media corruption,propaganda, misinformation,censorship,greed,too much power in the hands of incompetent gov ,and weak education resources as the reason behind non-socialistic functions that would benefit us all. not as a problem of choice. I don’t agree with and didn’t vote for most of the laws and functions were forced to live with.

  29. I think generally people in the US can agree on a common good which there is no choice but the same choice. I’m having troubles with clarity on her points. I see media corruption,propaganda, misinformation,censorship,greed,too much power in the hands of incompetent gov ,and weak education resources as the reason behind non-socialistic functions that would benefit us all. not as a problem of choice. I don’t agree with and didn’t vote for most of the laws and functions were forced to live with.

  30. 5min about lithuanian men- they are gone baby. They chose live and gone. I was 3 years ago over there, was searching for John Grays False Down: The Delusions Of Global Capitalism.. Shop assistent showed me philosophy section with 5 books in it, when asked told me that i’m the first philosof in years, people are interested in psichology( which is easy to understand). Cause- stress, effect- half of country going mad.

  31. Someone help! I’m searching for material about philosophers and other thinking people who still put red colour on the lips, 2 earings and etc.. cause whole my life i think about it as one of the most stupid things happening. I really need sum kind of explanation. Thanks!

  32. The answer is in the video, my friend.

    I know very well, but nevertheless…. A belief in the belief that one should look „nice“ for public lectures.

  33. „nice“ is illusion. Philosopher who is afraid of public meaning about her „looks“ is not worth my time, but thank you.

  34. You commentors who just keep posting consecutive comments when no one responds are weird. Why don’t you give yourself time to think through an idea.

  35. Instead of thing of „choices“ perhaps we should think of things like „what can not be chosen“. There are lots of possibilities which should be available but are taken away by the society.
    These questions are simply ignored by people, since they tend to „concentrate on the available choices“….

  36. Well, can we ask for a option that is not available yet?
    choice is the way to make you concentrate on what you have, while forget about the rest… even if the „rest“ are taken away by someone…

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